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Post by brandykins on Aug 3, 2009 9:11:07 GMT
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Post by laplady on Aug 3, 2009 9:17:05 GMT
What a horrid person, I have a friend who's 13 year old daughter is a diabetic, and now with the new technology they can live and almost normal life, the new drugs and new equipment, is great.
So that poor little girl could have lived a full life if only her father had got help
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Post by brandykins on Aug 3, 2009 10:51:57 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Tricia, what kind of a father was he! The power of prayer may be fine but the hospital would have been far the better place for the girl - they could still say prayers but at least she would have been given the proper treatment. I cannot understand parents who would think like that.
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Post by jerry on Aug 3, 2009 11:24:04 GMT
What a waste of a young life I believe in prayer but I also think you need to get any help possible as well... So so sad..
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Post by micki on Aug 3, 2009 12:07:25 GMT
this is the kind of thing that really annoys me. he should be hung. people like this obviously have something wrong with them in the head, yet another example of religious idiots. Doctors save us, we should remember that. i remember when Zoes dad was taken to hospital suffering a nut allergy which was closing up his air ways, we had these Christian fanatics praying, believing it would save him.... im sorry but it was the doctors administrating drugs which saved him, not idiots laying on of hands. if i was at risk of dying and i had the choice of a surgeon of a fanatical Christian i know which one id pick... please note i use the term fanatical Christian as not all christians are like that.
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Post by brandykins on Aug 3, 2009 14:38:13 GMT
I remember a case where parents were taken to court by the hospital authorites because they were refusing a blood transfusion for their wee one. The parents were Johova Witnesses, I think. The hospital won their case and the child was given the blood needed. I wonder where these peoples brains are - sitting on them!
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Post by jerry on Aug 3, 2009 14:44:53 GMT
As a parent I would do everything possible to try to help my kids.. Im' sure God would want us to as well.. Why gamble with the life of your flesh and blood, they are to precious and irreplaceable.. It is not disimilar to murder when you allow it to happen when it could be prevented..
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Post by lynx on Aug 3, 2009 15:28:05 GMT
What a wicked man. Fanatic is the word for sure as that is just not normal thinking. People like that twist bits of the bible out of context to suit what they want it to. It's all very well saying 'God heals'. God provided us with a brain and the ability to think and work out the best option for something like your daughter dieing. What a waste of a brain in that fathers case.
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Post by rubysmum on Aug 3, 2009 18:18:31 GMT
This is such a SHOCKING story and truly unbelievable that a father or another adult being couldnt tell the difference between an ill child to a really sick child it beggars belief just lets hope "what goes around comes around" and may that poor child now R.I.P
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Post by Karen on Aug 3, 2009 22:22:18 GMT
I suppose, he didn't want her to suffer with, Diabetes. But I know people with it, and they get on fine - am sure he should of got her some help:(
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Post by shandy on Dec 20, 2009 7:58:51 GMT
im a christian and i belive in using Doctors too as well as the holy spirit. That man was irresponsible and has stupidly twisted the scriptures. Sounds like he may hav been from some sort of sect??
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Post by brandykins on Dec 20, 2009 10:17:03 GMT
Not sure, Shandy, the link has now been taken off by MSN! He was a nut case to think that the power of prayer would help his child. He belonged to a Pentacostal church at one time.
Here is the story -
"A central Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.
Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing.
Sitting straight in his chair, Neumann stared at the jury as the verdict in a nearly empty courtroom was read. He declined comment as he left the courthouse.
Leilani Neumann, the mother, was convicted on the same charge in the spring. Marathon County Circuit Judge Vincent Howard set Oct. 6 for sentencing for both parents, who face up to 25 years in prison.
Their case is believed to be the first in Wisconsin involving faith healing in which someone died and another person was charged with a homicide.
Last month, an Oregon jury convicted a man of misdemeanor criminal mistreatment for relying on prayer instead of seeking medical care for his 15-month-old daughter who died of pneumonia and a blood infection in March 2008. Both of the girl's parents were acquitted of a more serious manslaughter charge.
Neumann's jury — six men and six women — deliberated about 15 hours over two days before convicting him. At one point, jurors asked the judge whether Neumann's belief in faith healing made him "not liable" for not taking his daughter to the hospital even if he knew she wasn't feeling well.
Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.
"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."
The father testified that he thought Madeline had the flu or a fever, and several relatives and family friends said they also did not realize how sick she was, even through she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink.
Neumann knew he should have taken his daughter to a doctor and minimized her illness when speaking with investigators, Jacobson said, calling Neumann no different than a drunken driver who remarks he only had a couple of beers.
Doctors testified that Madeline would have had a good chance of survival if she had received medical care, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.
Kronenwetter told the jury that Neumann sincerely believed praying would heal his daughter and he did nothing criminally wrong. "
He should have sought medical advice when his child became ill. It is a parent's duty to do so.
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Post by becky on Dec 21, 2009 19:38:01 GMT
Thats just awful
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