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Post by brandykins on Mar 18, 2009 13:54:04 GMT
I totally agree with you Lyn. I love foxes and always hated them being hunted down. Humans are supposed to be "civilised" - well there is nothing civilised in hunting foxes. All those dogs, horses and humans chasing across fields after a fox. I am pleased that there are laws out to stop it.
Foxes, like all animals, have as much right to live as all of us have.
Again, that is my opinion and I am not trying to put my opinions over on anyone. We all have our own thoughts on these things, for lots of different reasons.
I wonder how we would feel if the foxes started to chase our dogs! We kill sheep, lambs, cows etc. The farmers make their livelihoods out of raising them
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Post by chaz on Mar 18, 2009 15:03:07 GMT
To be honest Chaz I think you can talk hunting issues round the clock. Both sides have quite valid arguments and the issues are not black and white enough to say one is totally right against the other. Animals do need to be controlled to a degree. I would always argue to let animals do this for themselves (because they do very well indeed, nature is truely wonderful) where ever possible. Most animals need control due to human mismanagement so should be done sympathetically and as an absolute last resort. Hunting brings out something odd in a lot of people which I find quite horrible. I listen to my heart and that tells me it is wrong to take a life be it human or animal. Why would I have a right to take a life of something living and getting on with it's life as nature intended. I would strive to save an animals life not take it. Its a subject that everyone has a opionion on so something that everyone can talk about and state why they have their opionions and how they feel I have not said that anyone was wrong. It is intresting though how whenever hunting is concered everyone thinks of foxes first. Hunting is a way of life for a lot of people round were I live, what I don't get or agree with is people who bred animals for other people to pay to shoot, that is done round here with peasents, and I myself have done a complete 180 on my thoughts of it, I use to be anti hunting, and now I'm not providing it is done with the animal in mind. And also if you think that I talk about hunting round the clock and you are bored with it then why did you reply?
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Post by lynx on Mar 18, 2009 17:17:22 GMT
I think you took the 'you' out of context. I was implying 'you' to mean 'one' could talk about hunting arond the clock.
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Post by micki on Mar 18, 2009 22:08:17 GMT
i have to agree with u Lyn.. Chaz i think Lyn was taking about the subject rather than you when she said the debate could be talked about again and again. i agree though that any wild animal that needs human control does so coz we interfered with the natural scheme of things.
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Post by chaz on Mar 21, 2009 15:15:34 GMT
I think you took the 'you' out of context. I was implying 'you' to mean 'one' could talk about hunting arond the clock. Ok then sorry for getting the wrong end of the stick.
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Post by chaz on Mar 21, 2009 15:19:20 GMT
i have to agree with u Lyn.. Chaz i think Lyn was taking about the subject rather than you when she said the debate could be talked about again and again. i agree though that any wild animal that needs human control does so coz we interfered with the natural scheme of things. That I agree with, and also look at how we have manipulated animals to suit us. Just my opinion though I think that it woukd be better if we could go back to the really olden days were people had a small holding and then caught there own food if they needed any more, I think that if we done that then the animal welfare would be a lot better. And I also think that by doing that it could prevent stupid animals like the belgain blue cows who have so much muscle they can't mate on their own. Me personally I feel like keeping animals and breeding them to what we want is causing more harm then hunting would. P.s. I am a veggie and done a course in animal care to lol. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Blue
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Post by micki on Mar 21, 2009 15:19:43 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by brandykins on Mar 21, 2009 16:41:40 GMT
Don't think I would like to live back then!! Too much hasstle trying to get food!! Give me M&S Sweet & Sour Chicken any day:)
Many thanks for the interesting link, Chaz.
Take care.
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Post by poodlemadness on Apr 9, 2009 22:36:49 GMT
my views on this are it shouldn't be made a sport for the filthy rich,these are living breathing animals wether they be pests or not they have the same right to be here as us,if they must be culled then at least make it quik and as painless as possible rcing it across a field with dogs in hot persute is not my idea of a quick pain free and fear free end to a beautiful animals life
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Post by karen on Apr 16, 2009 20:03:51 GMT
sorry guys if this is an old debate but just my 2 penny worth if you don tmind ok here goes why do we now us humans think we have to take control of populations ? i mean go back lots of years was there guns no was there snares no infact who took care of what? i tell you who mother nature did all this is just another way of trying to show humans are the superior being and were not let the animals live like they are intended to do so sorry i am also agaisnt fox hunting
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Post by brandykins on Apr 16, 2009 20:34:28 GMT
my views on this are it shouldn't be made a sport for the filthy rich,these are living breathing animals wether they be pests or not they have the same right to be here as us,if they must be culled then at least make it quik and as painless as possible rcing it across a field with dogs in hot persute is not my idea of a quick pain free and fear free end to a beautiful animals life Totally agree with you, Corinne. I read somewhere that they are now trying to rescind the laws banning it!! I hope they don't. I would put all those who are on a hunt out on the field and bring in a pack of foxes to chase them - see how the humans like it!! We are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers - yet people want to chase after one wee fox! Time for the hunters to become the hunted!
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Post by micki on Apr 16, 2009 21:10:14 GMT
the reason we have to control them is coz we've taken their living space. we say foxes are now in towns... im not surprised really considering we are the ones who built our towns where the foxes wouldve lived anyway. so whos fault is it really?? not the foxes.
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Post by brandykins on Apr 16, 2009 21:58:21 GMT
So true, Micki. There is a fox who lives in the old Arnott's building in Paisley. It gets in an out of the boarded up door. The council leave it and don't try to move it!! I have seen it a few times, it comes out just when it is dark and it runs across the road, runs right across the ground of Paisley Abbey and disappears round it!!
Sometimes, the foxes come down to where I stay. I saw one in the back gardens but never got a pic of it:( Saw one running down the drive one night - well early morning about 3 am. I like foxes.
Hope that law doesn't get put out and hope the hunts are gone forever!
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Post by Karen on Apr 16, 2009 23:08:06 GMT
I have heard that down here they might be the hunting back - so far, so good and I think it's been banned. I really do hope they don't get their ''rights'' back. It's really horrible. It would be like someone coming into our homes, and chasing us out.
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Post by brandykins on Apr 17, 2009 10:15:47 GMT
That's true Karen and I hope they never get to hunt again.
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